Why Oneness Trumps Trinitarianism

October 29, 2007

Oneness does not need to be formulated since it a basically based on the simple principles of two scriptures: Deuteronomy 6:4 and 1 Timothy 3:16.

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[1]
Or The Lord our God is one Lord; or The Lord is our God, the Lord is one; or The Lord is our God, the Lord alone
Deuteronomy 6:4

Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

In Deut 6:4, all we are told is that the Lord is singular. At this point God has already appeared in many manifestations so they could have easily come to the conclusion that God exists distinctly as both a 1st and 2nd person. However, even with Genesis’ “Let us” verse the Israelites came to no such conclusion.

In 1 Tim 3:16, Paul explains to us that try as we might to understand how God does what he does we will fail for this mystery cannot be explained.

Simplicity is the key. The moment we try to develop any explanation of how God does what he does we are at a complete loss. Thus we find human ways in which to explain something we cannot.

Whenever we have to “infer” or “develop” any theory or piece together the word in order to make the idea of it coherent. The basis is simply “God is one”. It is not for us to understand how he could robe himself in flesh, speak through a dove or donkey, or even “inhabit” our hearts. At those questions lie mysteries to which we have no words to even formulate a description.

Trinity, on the other hands, requires us to infer, to develop, to constrain Biblical words in order explain that which we cannot explain. We stand up and applaud ourselves for our ingenuity: “Ah, God, we have figured you out. Now we understand that which was hidden from us. Now we are like you!”

It is with that arrogance we can see what lies at the very heart of Trinity – it is the same used by that Great Serpent and it is with that revelation that we see that the Trinity is a lie. We tell ourselves that we have figured it out when we have done no such thing.

Therefore, the Trinity is Man’s attempt to answer the unanswerable. It is an idea that Man has created and unlike God we cannot say “it is good”.

10 Responses to “Why Oneness Trumps Trinitarianism”

  1. Tim Says:

    Indeed, our God is one God, for the Trinity proclaims 3 persons in 1 Godhead.

    As for 1 Timothy 3:16, I fail to see this as a proof text for Oneness, for in it I see the Christ and the Holy Spirit. One is being justified by the other.

    We have:

    God manifest in the flesh
    God justified by the Spirit (i.e. God justifies God)
    God received up in glory

    Seeing only the word God, Oneness fails to see the distinctions of the persons of God.

    We have the Father sending the Son.
    We have the Son justified by the Holy Spirit.
    We have the Son received up in glory by the Father.

    1 God, 3 persons

    The Scripture is full of progressive revelation. Oneness fails to see this in the Trinity.

    The Trinity never dismisses “God is one,” it simply shows the further revelation of the Godhead in 3 persons, though the fullness of God is still not completely conceivable by man.

  2. retroc Says:

    “for in it I see”

    And you prove my point. That is your opinion. Instead, you present it as fact (just as evolutionists do).

    “it simply shows the further revelation of the Godhead in 3 persons, though the fullness of God is still not completely conceivable by man.”

    You admit that the fullness of God is “still not completely conceivable” and yet believe that you grok the fullness. What prevents God from now progressively revealing that he is not THREE, but FOUR persons ad infinitum! In which case, the Trinity is incorrect.

    Therefore, it is theory and not fact.

  3. Tim Says:

    1. “for in it I see” – I could easily have written “it can be seen”, so this is a weak argument against me or the Trinity.

    2. “You admit that the fullness of God is “still not completely conceivable” and yet believe that you grok the fullness.” – I do not claim the Trinity show the complete fullness of God, but it does give us greater insight that the OT saints had. The knowledge of Christ as Saviour is the same, for it is not clearly seen in the OT as it is in the NT.

    3. God has not revealed Himself as four or more persons, but Scripture does reveal He is three – so Oneness still misses what is clearly taught in Scripture.

    Therefore the Trinity is based in and on Scripture.

  4. Tim Says:

    2. Sorry, that the OT saints did not have or understand. Just like they would not have fully understood the idea of Christ, that we can because of the NT.

  5. retroc at home Says:

    Ah, but they you claim they did understand given Genesis’ “Let us” verse. You can’t have it both ways. You are definitely hard pressed into claiming that the Jews simply missed it. They are THE most prolific studiers of their own work and they knew of no “evidence” suggesting multiple persons, even though they had plenty to choose from should they go that route.

    The fact is, that despite the “evidence” they stuck to their view.

    You are also incorrect in saying that the OT saints did not understand Christ. One cannot claim that the writers of Psalms both predicted him, but didn’t understand what they were writing.

  6. Tim Says:

    It us the NT saint which can look back at the OT and see God as 3 persons, not the OT saints. Still today the Jews do not accept Christ or the NT.

    “One cannot claim that the writers of Psalms both predicted him, but didn’t understand what they were writing.”

    Did the Jews accept Christ as the Messiah? No.

    The so-called “studiers” of the Scriptures rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and crucified Him. They also rejected His claim to be God and the Son of God.

    Also note God sealed up the book of Daniel until the end [Daniel 12:4].

    Check out the things God has hidden:
    1 Corinthians 2:6-8
    Ephesians 3:4-6

  7. retroc (at work) Says:

    “Did the Jews accept Christ as the Messiah? No.”

    Provably false. Many did accept him as they were the first. However, they did not grow in number.

    However, you have made the same mistake once again. I asked you to prove that God has not hidden a fourth or fifth person. You respond that He has hidden many other things.

    Let me restate. The Trinity is false because we do not see all that is God. You assume that you are the means to an end and that you know all there is to know. Ergo, arrogance has led to blindness.

  8. G. Khan Says:

    Isaiah 48:16
    “Come near to Me, hear this:
    I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
    From the time that it was, I was there.
    And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
    Have sent Me.”

    Proverbs 30:4
    Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
    Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
    Who has bound the waters in a garment?
    Who has established all the ends of the earth?
    What is His name, and what is His Son’s name,
    If you know?

    Acts 13:27
    For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

  9. retroc Says:

    Khan,
    In no way do those verses imply a second person of the godhead. Also, even if they did, it could not rule out a fourth, fifth, or infinite amount of persons in the godhead. Which is my point. I can just as easily look at those same scriptures and formulate a reasonable conclusion using the Oneness theory.

    However, Trinity is too exact and demands a fixed number. So the possibility that it is correct is infinitely low.


  10. Well, Are Rastafarians Christian, pagan, or are Christians Pagan?

    There is another view than the idea that “Christianity” is pagan; it is the view that the Roman Church and its Protestant daughters are Pagan, but that true adherence to the teaching of Christ Jesus Words Only, is neither pagan nor polytheistic and wanton. It is Judaism corrected by revelation through Yeshua Messiah.

    This is debated at:

    Messian Dread: Rasfafari V. the Pagan Cult

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